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Shelley, welcome.

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Is the rise of disruptive technologies,
particularly

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AI, impacting on gender equality?

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Well, you know, listen,
I think that there's bias in tech,

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and especially in AI.

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And I think one of the things

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that we have to work really hard on is
how do we give more

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visibility?

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We have to make the invisible visible.

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And right now,

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one of the things that we're working on
is the algorithm for equality.

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And, you know, we coined that phrase,
because we definitely have to get

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some of the junk out of the trunk
and put more women in AI

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and flood
the internet with more profiles of women.

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It may sound like a really obvious
question, but why does it matter?

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Why is that important?
Why do you need to do that?

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Well, there's so many great

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women in tech
and we're just not profiling them enough.

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And I think we've been sharing
the voice of men

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so often that
the women are just not rising to the top.

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And if we don't put more profiles
of women, especially, look at Wikipedia.

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There are so few women in Wikipedia
and so few stories shared that

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if you search CEO, you get white men

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when and there are so few CEOs as women.

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So we really have to tell more stories
and we have to put them out there

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more and profile them more
so that there's not the bias

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in AI. We’ll get onto that in a second.

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But are we getting better?

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It’s a very different scene
from when I was young

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and thinking
about what I wanted to do for a career.

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We have a long way to go.

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We do have a long way to go,
and I think that we need

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to put more women in

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and get to equal before
we can share equal voice.

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So let's talk about the impact
that having that kind of gender disparity

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has on the actual tech,
the creation of the tech,

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because it
surely has an influence of bias?

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Well, bias in, bias out.

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And even think
about a lot of tech development.

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I mean, you're not wearing
high heels today.

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Neither am I.

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But I mean, think about escalators.

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I don't think those were made

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by women.

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I mean, my heels get caught all the time.
You know how dangerous that is?

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Or think about airbags in cars.

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Number one fatality is women.

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I mean, they were made
by men on male dummies.

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Or think about seatbelts.

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I mean, when you put that seatbelt
on, is that comfortable on your boobs?

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Not comfortable. No.

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You know, so I mean, everything
that. We need

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diversity in innovation on every level,
because,

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I think that's why we talk about diversity
and innovation, not just to have

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diversity for diversity’s sake,
but diversity is good for business.

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So what should leaders be doing
then to further gender equality?

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We should be

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hiring diversity in every single level.

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And it's not just diversity
because it's the right thing to

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do, diversity is good for business.

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Shelley, thank you so much.
Thank you so much.

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That was fun.