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Amy, Qahir, welcome.

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Amy, to you first:

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What are your impressions of COP
28 so far?

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What are the some of the big
themes that are coming out?

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Well, the major news for us is
the news around the loss and

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damage fund because we hear from
so many—especially

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small—countries that are facing
real climate vulnerabilities

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that having the financing they
need to respond to adapt has

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been the most significant
barrier.

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So we're really, really pleased
to see that progress. And of

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course we're pleased to see just
the excitement and energy level

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of stakeholders from around the
world. Qahir, are you seeing

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that as well, that energy, that
excitement?

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Do you think as well that
climate migration is high enough

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on this year's agenda?

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The excitement and agenda is
clearly there.

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The issue of climate migration
is not high enough on the

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agenda.

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I think we need to bring it up.

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We've done a lot of thinking and
analysis and discussion around

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assets and net zero and
emissions.

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But the people dimension is so
critical, and we need to bring

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that up into the discussion.

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I mean, when I asked Qahir that
question, your eyes went...Yes,

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I'm nodding, I'm nodding, Yeah,
I think we agree.

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Yeah, it's not high enough on
the agenda. 100%.

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I mean, we know over 20 million
people were displaced last year

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because of climate-related
disasters.

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We know the number of people
living in vulnerable communities

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is in the hundreds of millions,
and we're just not talking about

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it enough.

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So we're glad that there is some
talk about it.

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Admitting we have a problem is
the first step, right?

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But now we need some action to
help communities adapt.

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Tell me about the action that
you're doing, UN International.

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Yeah, there are a couple of
angles.

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First, it's what we call
solutions for people to stay,

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right?

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So most people don't want to
leave.

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They want to be able to stay at
home, to make a living, to have

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a future for themselves and for
their children.

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So wherever we can build
infrastructure, work with

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communities to adapt to the jobs
of their future, that's number

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one.

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But number two is really
solutions for people to move.

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Right now we're not hitting the
green climate goals because we

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don't have enough people to do
the jobs.

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So, and that's thanks to work
that you all have done.

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We recognize that migration is
actually part of the way we

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solve the problem.

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What role, to that then, does
the private sector have to play,

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Qahir? A huge role.

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I think that we are seeing a
deficit in the number of people

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willing to do jobs, and migrants
come in, and if their training

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is right, if the industry is
playing its role, you'll have

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companies hiring migrants to
take these jobs.

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And that's where the change will
happen.

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This is the most exciting piece
of the work because we actually

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see inherent in the challenge,
so inherent in the displacement,

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is actually a solution: enabling
people to get access to the

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jobs, enabling people to migrate
safely so that they can

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contribute to the goals that
we're all trying to reach.

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Amy, Qahir, thank you so much.

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It's a pleasure.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.