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Doctor Jemilah, Dave, welcome.
Doctor Jemilah, to you

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first. How is climate change
affecting health, access to

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health care

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now? What are we seeing?

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Yeah, that's a really important
question.

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First of all, the impact of
climate change on people's lives

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are both direct and indirect.

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So directly we've seen, for
example, the recent heat waves

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during the summer time where
people have actually died as a

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result, you know. Countries that
may have not been expecting heat

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waves have not adapted to
dealing with heat.

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On top of that, obviously, you
know, flood cyclones have also

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affected people's life directly.

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Some have been drowned, some
have been killed directly.

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You know homes have been
demolished because of disasters,

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so those are, you know, some
examples of direct impacts.

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The indirect ones are also
multifold.

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For example, we know that with
climate change there is a

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different pattern of disease,
particularly vector-borne

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diseases.

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So you will see rising cases of
Dengue Fever, Zika virus,

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Malaria, even. So much so that
there has been a reported case

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of Malaria in Washington, D.C.
of someone who's never traveled,

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or the rise of cases of Dengue
Fever in Texas.

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So, you know, so these changing
patterns also mean that the

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frequency of us getting, you
know, these vector-borne

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diseases will increase, and you
know what happened when we got

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COVID and the pandemic.

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So, you know, these are the
things that will happen.

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Now on top of that, you know
there are also other health

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impacts, for example mental
health, which is not talked

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about enough.

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You know, young people, older
people are all affected directly

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and indirectly by climate
change, and there has been

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serious pressure on mental
health.

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There have also been problems of
undernutrition because climate

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change also affects the quality
of food we grow and the quantity

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of crops that can grow.

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So there will be a long-term
impact on the food and nutrition

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sector as well.

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So I think, you know, it's a
multitude of areas where health

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is impacted.

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And for sure, the link between
climate change and health is now

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something real, something that
we need to speak out louder

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about and educate people. So
clearly, yeah, a big link

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between the health of our planet
and our own health.

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But I imagine as the health of
our planet sort of gets worse,

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so will ours, and the situation
will get worse.

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Yeah.

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No, absolutely, Georgie.

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And you know, if you think about
it, even in the best of times in

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developing economies, you know,
getting good access to health,

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good nutrition, well-being is
already a challenge.

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Now if you think about what we
have ahead of us, you know with

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the changing climatic patterns,
the increased heat, the stress

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on water systems, the stress on
food systems, we're going to see

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a lot more of this, a lot more
frequently and a lot more

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widespread.

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So, really the time to act and
put it at the top of

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decision-making priority is one
for all of us to take.

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So it leads to the question:
what on earth can we do about

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it?

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Yeah, you know, add it to that
as well.

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You know, you rightly pointed
out, Dave, the rising cost to

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the health sector is going to be
immense, right? From direct

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damage to, you know, the things
that you need to cope with.

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You know, I remember my friends
in the US saying to me they wish

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they were in Asia because people
didn't know about tropical

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diseases there.

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So how, you know, there's so
much new things that have to be

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developed.

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But I think, you know, as
someone who set up a planetary

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health center, this is where I
think it's time to connect the

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dots.

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So planetary health, you know,
emerge out of, you know,

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physicians and scientists coming
together to say, "Hang on a

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minute, there is a direct link
between human health and the

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health of human civilization
with the natural systems on

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which we depend.

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And therefore we cannot be
healthy without the health of

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the planet."

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And what it requires then is for
us to relook at health as well.

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You know, we often, when you
think about health, you think

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about hospital or doctor, you
know, clinic.

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But actually the determinants of
health are economic, social,

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behavioral, political, and
definitely environmental.

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So planetary health allows us to
look at it from a systems

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approach.

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What are the systems shifts that
need to happen for us to have

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the health of humanity and the
health of the planet preserved?

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You know very, much in the the
same light, Jemilah...

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You know at this stage, there
needs to be the best of climate

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science, the the best of, you
know, available data.

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You know to the right decision
makers, to make sense of the

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issues right, to have a view of
what are the implications, you

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know, across all the different
aspects of of how we live and

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work, and using that as a way to
then prioritize and deploy

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resources and act.

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Yeah.

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I think that really is the the
immediate you know agenda that I

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feel is...

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But if I may it must start from
clear communications.

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When you say, you know, when you
talk about climate change in

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terms of 1.5°, it doesn't mean
anything to people on the

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street.

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So This is why you know the
planetary health approach.

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Putting health at the center of
our climate discussions is

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critical.

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Everyone understands health,
everyone knows that they want

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good health, right?

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So if you say to them that if
you want to remain healthy,

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climate change becomes a
critical issue and we need to

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now address all the underlying
drivers on why we are in this

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situation today, then you can
center your discussions and

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language that is understood
easily.

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We have to de jargonize science,
right?

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And make it understood to
people.

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Here's you, scientists,
politicians, everyone business,

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everyone scientists #1.

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Because you know this, the
reports are coming out from the

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scientists, clinicians, doctors,
we all have to talk about it.

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You know the the challenge is
this.

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As a as a doctor myself, you
know only less than 15% of

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medical curriculum touch on
climate change and it hasn't

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changed since I graduated many,
many, many years ago.

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Right now the other thing is the
health sector itself is a

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polluter.

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If the health industry worldwide
was a country, it would be the

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5th largest emitter in the
world.

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Health practitioners and health
workers are trusted.

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Our voice matters and we need to
raise our voice, whether it's to

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our patients, to our, you know,
our policy makers, to our

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politicians.

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You know, we need to now really
use that momentum from this COP

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28 that has finally put health
as a central agenda to the

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climate discussions to propel
the dialogue, the advocacy and

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the action that he needs to
follow.

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George Miller, Dave, thank you
so much.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.