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Sunita, thanks a lot for joining
us today.

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Thanks for having me.

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So COP28 has been exciting with
thousands of people here, a very

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active presence of the private
sector with lots of C-Suite

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conversations taking the
leadership.

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But as they say, the tone starts
at the top.

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And I was wondering, in that
context, and given the hat you

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wear, what do you see the role
of governance and boards in the

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climate change conversation?

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I think the environment has been
simultaneously fascinating,

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stimulating, very inspiring.

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But as you mentioned, tone
starts from the top, and the

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boardroom I feel is not
sufficiently represented here.

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We've got the largest
mobilization of the private

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sector and

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the guardians, the long-term
stewards of companies, are the

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board of directors.

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They need to be aware of the
emerging risks that come from

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the climate emergency.

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They need to understand how to
measure, mitigate this, and of

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course seize opportunities that
are arising.

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This clearly falls within the
ambit of directors'

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responsibilities and I would
like to see that this very

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important stakeholder group is
better represented at COP.

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That's right.

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And I think one of the things
boards do really well is to take

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a longer-term view.

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And if there was one issue that
requires a long-term view but

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short-term action is probably
climate change.

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I was wondering if there were
some examples that you had in

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mind of good practices in that
direction.

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So in the work that I'm doing at
Climate Governance Malaysia,

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which is part of this global
network supported by the World

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Economic Forum called the
Climate Governance Initiative,

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and also I wear another hat at
the CEO Action Network in

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Malaysia.

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What I'm seeing is a bifurcation
between businesses who still

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think that this is a reporting
and disclosure problem and those

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businesses who are working hard
to embed sustainability into the

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DNA of their business.

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They understand that this is a
transition which all of society

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wants to see and they want to be
ready to deliver the goods and

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services which are just cheaper,
faster, better, and better for

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the environment.

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So I do see businesses already
working on that.

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It's very clear not all
businesses will survive the

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transition, especially when a
negative externality like carbon

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is being priced.

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The thought leaders are already
looking at nature, and

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biodiversity, and planetary
boundaries.

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So I see this very clear
bifurcation between those who

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get it and those who still don't
understand the extent of the

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crisis.

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Yeah, completely agree.

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And if you were to ask me, I see
the glass as half full, and not

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half empty coming out of COP.

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But what do you think?

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I've been so inspired.

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You know, there are thousands
working tirelessly behind the

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scenes to negotiate, as
observers, to try and come up

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with solutions for this
seemingly intractable problem.

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And then there are thousands
more, because in total, we've

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got 70,000 people visiting COP
this year, right?

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There are thousands more who are
supporting this conversation.

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People like you and I, you know,
who are trying to engage

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further, push the discourse
along, coming up with studies,

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and reports, and opinions, and
insights, just to try and help

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facilitate this.

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So I find it tremendously
inspiring.

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Thank you so much.

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Thanks for joining us here
today.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thank you.