WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.560 - Robin, it's so lovely to see you here in Davos. 2 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:04.920 There's such a great mix of leaders here. 3 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:07.801 We start 2026, and I want to ask you, 4 00:00:07.801 --> 00:00:10.921 what are the biggest challenges that you see for businesses 5 00:00:10.921 --> 00:00:13.162 and what are the biggest opportunities that you see? 6 00:00:13.162 --> 00:00:15.802 - Well, I think on the challenges front, 7 00:00:15.802 --> 00:00:18.763 there's still some very unpredictable conflicts 8 00:00:18.763 --> 00:00:20.003 going on around the world 9 00:00:20.003 --> 00:00:23.444 that serve as a kind of drag on certainty, 10 00:00:23.444 --> 00:00:26.644 drag on the ability for companies to plan for the long term. 11 00:00:28.124 --> 00:00:30.365 The Ukraine War, I'm worried it's gonna continue 12 00:00:30.365 --> 00:00:33.125 for most of '26 in some shape or form. 13 00:00:33.125 --> 00:00:35.686 That inevitably is going to make the relationship 14 00:00:35.686 --> 00:00:38.206 between Europe and China difficult. 15 00:00:38.206 --> 00:00:39.486 And we've seen some signs 16 00:00:39.486 --> 00:00:41.247 that European governments are maybe thinking, 17 00:00:41.247 --> 00:00:43.967 "Maybe we do need to have a better relationship with China." 18 00:00:43.967 --> 00:00:46.608 So if you're trying to plan for the long term as a company, 19 00:00:46.608 --> 00:00:49.008 how do I change my supply chains? 20 00:00:49.008 --> 00:00:49.968 How much can I trust 21 00:00:49.968 --> 00:00:52.729 that the US-China relationship won't go wrong? 22 00:00:52.729 --> 00:00:55.329 Can I back a Chinese investment into Europe? 23 00:00:55.729 --> 00:00:56.929 You don't have an answer. 24 00:00:56.929 --> 00:00:58.370 So there's a lot of the issues 25 00:00:58.370 --> 00:01:01.450 that are carrying forward, almost, from 2025 into 2026. 26 00:01:01.450 --> 00:01:02.290 - Absolutely. 27 00:01:02.290 --> 00:01:03.770 - Let's look at the other side of it. 28 00:01:03.770 --> 00:01:06.411 What are the top opportunities that you see? 29 00:01:06.411 --> 00:01:08.211 - Well, I think the American economy, 30 00:01:08.211 --> 00:01:09.411 at least on the surface 31 00:01:09.411 --> 00:01:12.532 and if you're invested in the right parts of it, 32 00:01:12.532 --> 00:01:14.932 is going gangbusters on the back 33 00:01:14.932 --> 00:01:18.173 of this massive infrastructure build out of like, 34 00:01:18.173 --> 00:01:20.573 the infrastructure portion of the AI revolution 35 00:01:21.614 --> 00:01:24.894 is not just about chips, you know, it's about construction. 36 00:01:26.014 --> 00:01:28.735 It's about skilled workers. It's about network building. 37 00:01:28.735 --> 00:01:30.495 It's about energy, it's grids. 38 00:01:30.495 --> 00:01:34.976 - I mean, America is on a buying splurge 39 00:01:34.976 --> 00:01:38.376 for the AI revolution that could really give rocket boosters 40 00:01:38.376 --> 00:01:40.457 to parts of the US economy. 41 00:01:40.457 --> 00:01:43.257 So I'd say the US economy is one of my bright spots, 42 00:01:43.257 --> 00:01:44.498 at least for the next 12 months. 43 00:01:44.498 --> 00:01:45.298 - [Aparna] Yes. 44 00:01:45.298 --> 00:01:47.418 - I can't guess if there's gonna be an AI bubble or not. 45 00:01:47.418 --> 00:01:50.098 And we've seen quite a bit of investment going into Europe 46 00:01:50.098 --> 00:01:52.499 as a relatively rule of law part of the world. 47 00:01:52.499 --> 00:01:54.939 So you get kind of Wild West growth in America, 48 00:01:54.939 --> 00:01:57.580 but you might be getting more predictable growth in Europe. 49 00:01:57.580 --> 00:01:59.420 I've been struck that we ended last year 50 00:01:59.420 --> 00:02:00.380 and started this year 51 00:02:00.380 --> 00:02:02.461 with a number of trade agreements being signed. 52 00:02:02.461 --> 00:02:06.541 And so the EU-Mercosur deal, which has been signed, 53 00:02:06.541 --> 00:02:09.222 the EU-India deal, which I think is likely 54 00:02:09.222 --> 00:02:10.902 to be signed quite soon. 55 00:02:10.902 --> 00:02:14.783 Everyone's thinking, "How can we build up the infrastructure 56 00:02:14.783 --> 00:02:15.743 of potential growth?" 57 00:02:15.743 --> 00:02:17.303 And then my last point, 58 00:02:17.303 --> 00:02:19.704 2026 could be the year of India. 59 00:02:19.704 --> 00:02:20.544 - Hm. 60 00:02:20.544 --> 00:02:24.584 - I mean, here's an economy that's growing, maybe it's 7%, 61 00:02:25.585 --> 00:02:27.065 where the infrastructure investment 62 00:02:27.065 --> 00:02:29.025 that remains seems to be paying off, 63 00:02:29.025 --> 00:02:32.186 the Modi government that is trying to make an effort 64 00:02:32.186 --> 00:02:34.026 to show the growth can trickle down. 65 00:02:34.106 --> 00:02:36.707 It really focused on simplifying market rules 66 00:02:36.707 --> 00:02:37.747 and opening up the market. 67 00:02:37.747 --> 00:02:38.947 I just feel that there's a... 68 00:02:38.947 --> 00:02:39.787 - There's a momentum. 69 00:02:39.787 --> 00:02:40.387 - Exactly. 70 00:02:40.387 --> 00:02:43.028 - We have a lot of challenger companies out of India 71 00:02:43.028 --> 00:02:45.628 that are growing really well and have global ambitions. 72 00:02:45.628 --> 00:02:47.308 And so I think you're right, 73 00:02:47.308 --> 00:02:49.549 there is a momentum that's building here 74 00:02:49.549 --> 00:02:51.509 that we are seeing here in Davos as well, actually, 75 00:02:51.509 --> 00:02:53.549 so I'm optimistic about that. 76 00:02:53.549 --> 00:02:54.510 Robin, one question. 77 00:02:54.510 --> 00:02:57.190 And you know, we serve business leaders most of the time 78 00:02:57.190 --> 00:02:59.030 and we work with CEOs. 79 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:00.431 One of the questions that they're asking 80 00:03:00.431 --> 00:03:04.551 is around this mix of trade, investment 81 00:03:04.551 --> 00:03:05.952 and economic statecraft. 82 00:03:05.952 --> 00:03:07.312 This combination is playing out 83 00:03:07.312 --> 00:03:09.512 in almost every major economy in the world, 84 00:03:09.512 --> 00:03:11.833 and it's playing out on the global stage. 85 00:03:11.833 --> 00:03:14.473 - So for a business leader, if you were to say one thing 86 00:03:14.473 --> 00:03:17.113 to keep in mind for 2026, what would it be? 87 00:03:17.194 --> 00:03:18.714 - You know, my one thing to keep in mind 88 00:03:18.714 --> 00:03:22.114 is that all governments are involved in industrial policy. 89 00:03:22.114 --> 00:03:24.595 It means governments are gonna be interfering, 90 00:03:24.595 --> 00:03:25.715 but it's also good 91 00:03:25.715 --> 00:03:28.956 because it means that they may support you 92 00:03:28.956 --> 00:03:31.436 in particular mergers or acquisitions 93 00:03:31.436 --> 00:03:33.836 or investments you want to make. 94 00:03:33.836 --> 00:03:37.037 I think you have an opportunity here for companies, 95 00:03:37.037 --> 00:03:39.837 for the moment, to try to steer this emphasis 96 00:03:39.837 --> 00:03:42.478 on industrial policy because of this competitive, 97 00:03:42.478 --> 00:03:45.438 more state-led form of market we're in, 98 00:03:45.438 --> 00:03:48.119 for companies to try and turn it to their advantage. 99 00:03:48.119 --> 00:03:50.599 In the long term, there could be costs, 100 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.160 but I think in the near term there's opportunities. 101 00:03:52.160 --> 00:03:54.040 And if I was to add to that, Robin, 102 00:03:54.040 --> 00:03:56.200 I'd say I often advise CEOs, 103 00:03:56.200 --> 00:03:58.641 "You have to build a geopolitical muscle." 104 00:03:58.641 --> 00:03:59.481 - Right. - We don't know 105 00:03:59.481 --> 00:04:00.841 what's going to come to you, 106 00:04:00.841 --> 00:04:02.881 so you need structural capabilities 107 00:04:02.881 --> 00:04:06.522 to be able to factor geopolitics into every function. 108 00:04:06.522 --> 00:04:08.682 And that doesn't mean just a global affairs team. 109 00:04:08.682 --> 00:04:11.723 It means a team that can build that capability end-to-end. 110 00:04:11.723 --> 00:04:15.164 So that would be a no-risk and no-fail move that you can do. 111 00:04:15.164 --> 00:04:18.124 - I strongly agree with you on it for a particular reason. 112 00:04:18.124 --> 00:04:20.044 I've sensed that many companies 113 00:04:20.044 --> 00:04:23.205 have felt they know geopolitics because they read the papers 114 00:04:23.205 --> 00:04:25.125 and they are often very knowledgeable people. 115 00:04:25.125 --> 00:04:26.085 - Yes. - They're traveling the world. 116 00:04:26.085 --> 00:04:27.566 They're meeting government leaders, 117 00:04:27.566 --> 00:04:29.566 often at a extremely high level. 118 00:04:29.566 --> 00:04:31.046 But as we've seen in this last year 119 00:04:31.046 --> 00:04:33.447 and we're seeing already at the beginning of 2026, 120 00:04:33.447 --> 00:04:35.367 really unexpected things can happen. 121 00:04:35.367 --> 00:04:36.207 - Yeah. 122 00:04:36.207 --> 00:04:38.688 - It's almost impossible to plan and so therefore, 123 00:04:38.688 --> 00:04:41.808 as you said, having structures, processes, 124 00:04:41.808 --> 00:04:45.169 I dare say structures for advice 125 00:04:45.169 --> 00:04:46.729 that can help you keep an eye on it 126 00:04:46.729 --> 00:04:48.889 because the surprise is always around the corner. 127 00:04:48.889 --> 00:04:50.930 So yeah, I'm very much with you on that. 128 00:04:50.930 --> 00:04:53.090 - Great. Well Robin, thank you for speaking with me. 129 00:04:53.090 --> 00:04:54.530 This was a great discussion. Thank you. 130 00:04:54.530 --> 00:04:55.891 - Thanks, Aparna. Pleasure. 131 00:04:55.891 --> 00:04:59.051 (upbeat music)