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<v ->Olivia, what fascinates you about hydrogen?</v>

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<v ->Hydrogen I see is a very important part of the energy mix,</v>

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particularly in the future where we want to move

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to a fully renewable system.

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And we have to find a solution for when it's not windy

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and when it's not sunny.

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I'm fascinated in hydrogen because it's one of those

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solutions that will fix the gap when those aren't available.

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The intermittency problem, if you like.

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<v ->What motivates your organization to be a front runner?</v>

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<v ->EnBW is very committed to a new energy future</v>

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of removing fossil fuels from the mix,

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of protecting the climate at the end of the day,

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and protecting the planet.

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To solve the intermittency issue,

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we need to investigate hydrogen and work out

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how we can use that

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in maintaining the energy system for our users.

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<v ->What challenges,</v>

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because I guess it's not without challenges,

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do you think we're facing now

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in the up-nascent hydrogen market?

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<v ->I'm not sure we have long enough to talk about</v>

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all of the challenges.

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There are many challenges,

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but as there always are with any new industry,

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any new product,

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and in this case, any new entire value chain,

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frankly speaking.

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That said, there's challenges and there's opportunities.

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So I think the big opportunities I would focus on

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is the fact that none of this is

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really brand new technology.

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A lot of it is using existing technology,

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but in either a different way to how it's already been used,

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and I'm thinking here of electrolysis, of gas pipelines,

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of uses of hydrogen,

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so refineries, fertilizer plants, et cetera.

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All of those exist today,

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but just need to be tweaked somehow

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to work with the new system, if you like.

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And that's not going to happen overnight.

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So that's a challenge.

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The biggest challenge is clearly the economics.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->But if you break that down,</v>

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it's getting all of the stakeholders in the value chain

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aligned, on board, cooperating well.

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So we have the EUETS, for example, which is already...

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we wouldn't be sitting down having this conversation,

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if there wasn't a carbon price.

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<v ->What's your view and the outlook</v>

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for the nascent hydrogen industry?

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<v ->So I think clarity on the regulations</v>

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is a critical next step.

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And I think at that point, industry is poised

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and industry all the way along the value chain.

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So from the end user industry,

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to the midstream infrastructure industry,

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to the upstream production industry,

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everyone is poised to make this transition,

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to make it happen.

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The framework needs to be clear that we're operating within.

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<v ->What is your final takeaway?</v>

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<v ->I think we need to manage the hype a little bit,</v>

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that it's not the sole solution.

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It is going to be one of the solutions,

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but clearly renewable energy development,

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wind development, solar development,

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hydropower where it's available, is also critical.

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And other forms of storage, energy storage.

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So yes, I think hydrogen is a very important part.

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It's not the only part,

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but we all have an important part to play

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in making the whole thing carbon neutral.