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Rob Curran, thanks very much for
joining us. Robin, I wanted to

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start just by asking you a bit
about carbon capture. I mean,

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talk us through the development
of that sector and where it's at

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now. Sure, I'd be happy to do
that. So carbon capture is the

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first step in a in a broader
term called carbon capture

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utilisation and storage as also
has some connection to direct

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air capture. The entire space
has developed greatly over the

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last 10 to 15 years. We're now
we're actually seeing a lot of

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projects being deployed.

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Much of that has been driven by
policy and a lot of capital. And

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of course, innovators like
myself that have been able to

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bring these kinds of
technologies out of the lab

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through that pilot phase and are
now starting to scale at very

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meaningful sizes that are
actually having real CO2

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impacts. And you're sort of
managing to hit what had

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previously been quite sort of
hard to abate sectors. Tell us

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about that. So carbon cure,
which I'm the CEO and founder,

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works in the cement sector. And
cement is what's called a hard

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to abate sector. It accounts for
about 7% of the

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Childs greenhouse gas emissions.
And it's not just the size

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that's that's the issue here,
but it's a very difficult

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industry because most of those
emissions are not attributed to

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energy use. So the burning of
fossil fuels, that's actually

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the chemical process. So it's
really tricky because you need

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to develop entirely different
toolkits of climate solutions

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that may not be as useful in
other industries like utilities

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or like the power sector. So
what carbon cure does is we

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actually take CO2, which is the
problem in the 1st place, and

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reinject that

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back into concrete as it's being
made. A chemical reaction occurs

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where that CO2 which was once
released into the atmosphere is

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now stored and locked away as a
stone within concrete. And it

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actually makes the concrete
stronger, which provides

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concrete producers the ability
to lower their cost and still

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deliver a green product in the
market. We're at a point now

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where we're scaling all around
the world, but we just can't go

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fast enough for the pace of
climate change. I mean, but

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that's a remarkable innovation,
Karen. That's one brilliant

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solution to the

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the huge spectrum of problems
that we're facing. Clearly we

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need more talk us through sort
of just the the plethora of of

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problems that we we need to be
addressing. Yeah, one of the

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biggest challenges is this this
costs money and today you don't

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pay for emissions, right? You
just admit into the environment

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and society bears that cost. But
we're trying to move to a world

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where we address all of those
and in order to fund it, you

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need to come up with innovative
ways. One of the exciting things

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about what carbon cure does is
they actually find a way to

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usefully

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use the CO2, which can actually
help bring down costs, make

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cement stronger. Yeah, this is a
win win. Exactly. There are many

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other solutions that that are
necessary. The most common is

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burial of some sort. Basically,
you take CO2, you inject it

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underground and it normalises,
it stays there forever. But it's

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important that we we address
multiple different pathways here

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because the volumes that we're
looking at, multiple gigatons

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per year is, is just such a
massive quantity that no one

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pathway will be sufficient.

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And is government policy keeping
up with this? What would you

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like to see happening on that,
on that score? Yeah, it's, it's

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it's exciting to see that
policies are starting to emerge

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that will address both driving
demand for removals as well as

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supporting how you actually
store it long term. But where we

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are today is we're not far
enough. We need to see more

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policy that's going to basically
make removal of CO2 a

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requirement as opposed to today
where it's primarily done

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through voluntary means.
Basically, today, the leading

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companies will choose

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to do removals to offset their
emissions. We need to get to a

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world where much like any other
industrial waste, pollution, et

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cetera, those who are driving
the most pollution have to clean

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it up. And there are a lot of
different mechanisms that can be

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used to drive that. Things like
emissions trading schemes,

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border, carbon adjustments and
many others. Well, thank you

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both for joining us with such
innovative solutions and hope

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for the future.

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Karen and Rob, thanks. Thank
you. Thank you.

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